Wednesday, February 25, 2009

“A philosopher is someone who takes a natural law and applies logic to the natural law and derives an idea from that logic. On the other pole, a rhetorician has an argument, applies the most effective logic, and compares it to a natural law to conclude one’s definition.” http://www.public.iastate.edu/~jimhinch/A%20Rhetorician's%20Art.pdf

I was googling the definition of rhetorician and this was one of the websites that popped up. I have been sitting here for a really long time trying to think… which one of the blogs I can talk about when I can’t really wrap my head around either topic. So I thought my best bet would be to turn to my good ‘ol friend Google.

Is it sad to think that all of our philosophers are turning into rhetoricians… when we all know that rhetoric’s main purpose is to persuade? It seems to me that the days of Plato and Aristotle sitting around, drinking a class of mead, looking at the stars and getting down to some deep, philosophical conversation are, unfortunately, long gone. Indeed that is a sad thing to me. I bet Plato was a deep dude and awesome to hang out with and just listen to all his ideas and theories. I bet he would have listened to Pink Floyd had he been of this time... but I digress...

Lanham’s theory will have a huge impact on the way composition is taught, as more and more technology is developed and information even more at our fingertips. In the article, it says for rhetoricians, every argument has a counter-argument. The use of the internet makes it so much easier for rhetoricians to go back and forth, debating over who is right in their argument, why they are right… and vice versa. The article also says, “A good rhetorician acts by compromising and correlating spontaneously in a debate in a public sphere of interaction with an audience.” My example of this: blogs. I may be way out in left field here, but it just seems to me that philosophers were the great thinkers and rhetoricians are nothing but megalomaniacs who are hell bent on proving themselves right and persuading their listener over to their side of the argument. I wonder if I am even making any sense. I know what I am trying to say, formulating the idea into a coherent blog… well that is a totally different story.


5 comments:

  1. I agree that it is sad that most language is all persuasive now... but I think that is a direct effect of people being too hard headed now. I think the 2.0 version of the web is useful because, even though it gives ignorant people a voice, it lets intelligent people share their knowledge.

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  2. haha, hanging out with Aristotle would have been totally awesome. Very interesting argument too. I'd never thought about rhetorcians being almost like lawyers and philosophers as perhaps, teachers?

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  3. I’m sorry our seminar teacher was mean to you. =[
    I’m going to have to disagree with the statement that the idea of a philosopher is long gone. I do not think that the days of brilliant men and women philosophers are over; I just think they are evolving. I think that people are afraid of things that are unfamiliar to them.
    Also, yay for Pink Floyd! =] hahah.

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  4. Haha yes, you are making sense. I feel that way sometimes after I have finished my blogs, like what am I even talking about now.. haha I agree with you and your point about how these elements will be good to teach and using the internet and all of its points.

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  5. I agree that philosophers were great thinkers, but I also think that there are still philosophers that are great thinkers today. I definitely dislike the idea of rhetoricians, though.

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